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Anthony Fauci interview

Link to article. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic

Anthony Fauci (far right) attends a recent White House press briefing on the pandemic. AL DRAGO/BLOOMBERG VIA GETTY IMAGES 

‘I’m going to keep pushing.’ Anthony Fauci tries to make the White House listen to facts of the pandemic

By Jon CohenMar. 22, 2020 , 7:35 PM

Anthony Fauci, who to many watching the now-regular White House press briefings on the pandemic has become the scientific voice of reason about how to respond to the new coronavirus, runs from place to place in normal times and works long hours. Now, the director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases has even less time to sleep and travels at warp speed, typically racing daily from his office north of Washington, D.C., to his home in the capital, and then to the White House to gather with the Coronavirus Task Force in the Situation Room. He then usually flanks President Donald Trump addressing the media—and when he isn’t there, concerned tweets begin immediately. Shortly before he planned to head to the White House for a task force meeting today, he phoned ScienceInsider for a speedy chat. This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.

Q: The first question everyone has is how are you?

A: Well, I’m sort of exhausted. But other than that, I’m good. I mean, I’m not, to my knowledge, coronavirus infected. To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired [laughs].

Q: How are you managing to not get fired?

A: Well, that’s pretty interesting because to [Trump’s] credit, even though we disagree on some things, he listens. He goes his own way. He has his own style. But on substantive issues, he does listen to what I say.

Q: You’ve been in press conferences where things are happening that you disagree with, is that fair to say?

A: Well, I don’t disagree in the substance. It is expressed in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject.

Q: You stood nearby while President Trump was in the Rose Garden shaking hands with people. You’re a doctor. You must have had a reaction like, “Sir, please don’t do that.”

A: Yes, I say that to the task force. I say that to the staff. We should not be doing that. Not only that—we should be physically separating a bit more on those press conferences. To his credit, the vice president [Mike Pence] is really pushing for physical separation of the task force [during meetings]. He keeps people out of the room—as soon as the room gets like more than 10 people or so, it’s, “Out, everybody else out, go to a different room.” So with regard to the task force, the vice president is really a bear in making sure that we don’t crowd 30 people into the Situation Room, which is always crowded. So, he’s definitely adhering to that. The situation on stage [for the press briefings] is a bit more problematic. I keep saying, “Is there any way we can get a virtual press conference?” Thus far, no. But when you’re dealing with the White House, sometimes you have to say things one, two, three, four times, and then it happens. So, I’m going to keep pushing.

Q: You’re standing there saying nobody should gather with more than 10 people and there are almost 10 people with you on the stage. And there are certainly more than 10 journalists there asking questions.

A: I know that. I’m trying my best. I cannot do the impossible.

Q: What about the travel restrictions? Trump keeps saying that the travel ban for China, which began 2 February, had a big impact on slowing the spread of the virus to the United States and that he wishes China would have told us 3 to 4 months earlier and that they were “very secretive.” (China did not immediately reveal the discovery of a new coronavirus in late December 2019, but by 10 January, Chinese researchers made the sequence of the virus public.) It just doesn’t comport with facts.

A: I know, but what do you want me to do? I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?

Q: Most everyone thinks that you’re doing a remarkable job, but you’re standing there as the representative of truth and facts, but things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual.

A: The way it happened is that after he made that statement [suggesting China could have revealed the discovery of a new coronavirus 3 to 4 months earlier], I told the appropriate people, it doesn’t comport, because 2 or 3 months earlier would have been September. The next time they sit down with him and talk about what he’s going to say, they will say, “By the way, Mr. President, be careful about this and don’t say that.” But I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down. OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time.

Q: You have not said China virus. (Trump frequently calls the cause of the spreading illness known as coronavirus disease 2019 a “China virus” or a “Chinese virus.”)

A: Ever.

Q: And you never will, will you?

A: No.

Q: I’m curious about some things that aren’t happening on a national scale. One is, why are shelter in place orders happening state by state? Why are we doing this sequentially? Is that a mistake?

A: No, I don’t think we could say it’s a mistake or not a mistake. There is a discussion and a delicate balance about what’s the overall impact of shutting everything down completely for an indefinite period of time. So, there’s a compromise. If you knock down the economy completely and disrupt infrastructure, you may be causing health issues, unintended consequences, for people who need to be able to get to places and can’t. You do the best you can. I’ve emphasized very emphatically at every press conference, that everybody in the country, at a minimum, should be following the fundamental guidelines. Elderly, stay out of society in self isolation. Don’t go to work if you don’t have to. Yada, yada, yada. No bars, no restaurants, no nothing. Only essential services. When you get a place like New York or Washington or California, you have got to ratchet it up. But it is felt—and it isn’t me only speaking, it’s a bunch of people who make the decisions—that if you lock down everything now, you’re going to crash the whole society. So, you do what you can do, as best as you can. Do as much physical separation as you can and ratchet it up at the places you know are at highest risk.

Q: But I heard a guy say, if you think you’re doing too much, you’re probably doing the right amount.

A: That’s me.

Q: I know it’s you. The “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign doesn’t mention religious gatherings. I know Pence mentioned them yesterday. But why aren’t they on the 15 days recommendations? All these other places are mentioned.

A: It was implied in no crowds of more than 10 people. But you’re right, crowds in church are important and every time I get a chance to say it, I mention it. I can’t really criticize them strongly for that at all. When you say less than 10, it makes common sense that it involves the church. I say it publicly and even the vice president has said it publicly.

Q: What happens before each press conference? What do you do as a group?

A: We’re in the task force. We sit down for an hour and a half, go over all the issues on the agenda. And then we proceed from there to an anteroom right in front of the Oval Office to talk about what are going to be the messages, what are the kind of things we’re going to want to emphasize? Then we go in to see the president, we present [our consensus] to him and somebody writes a speech. Then he gets up and ad libs on his speech. And then we’re up there to try and answer questions.

Q: At Friday’s press conference, you put your hands over your face when Trump referred to the “deep State Department” (a popular conspiracy theory). It’s even become an internet meme. Have you been criticized for what you did?

A: No comment.

Q: We’ve seen creative ideas about how to respond in other countries that we aren’t adopting. China uses thermometers at supermarkets before letting people in. Should we be considering that?

A: Yes, of course. I think the logistics of that have to be worked out. That was discussed. All these things are discussed. Not all of them are implemented. This is something that should be considered. I will bring it up at the next task force meeting and see whether there’s some sort of a logistical, bureaucratic reason why it can’t be done. The rationale for doing it is at least worth serious consideration.

Q: Big picture: We’ve had all this pandemic preparedness. Why did this fail? What went wrong?

A: I think we’ll have to wait until it is over and we look back before we can answer that. It’s almost like the fog of war. After the war is over, you then look back and say, “Wow, this plan, as great as it was, didn’t quite work once they started throwing hand grenades at us.” It really is similar to that. Obviously, testing [for the new coronavirus] is one clear issue that needs to be relooked at. Why were we not able to mobilize on a broader scale? But I don’t think we can do that right now. I think it’s premature. We really need to look forward.

Q: Right now, why do we have a travel ban on visitors from China when there are few cases in China other than imported cases? What’s the logic?

A: I’m sorry. I was just looking at two text messages, one from a governor and one from the White House. I gotta get off.

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Good site for keeping track of Covid 19 around the world including provinces and states

Figures from around the world https://ncov2019.live/data Gives lots of info by country.

This site was created by a high school student in Washington State.

Figures for BC are the highest in Canada. We better heed the warnings if we want to turn this around.

A brief history.

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Hmm, this doesn't sound good. A dire warning.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-doctors-urge-b-c-government-to-take-more-drastic-measures/wcm/b8bdc2eb-966d-49f6-a2f0-dcf22ea81341/

COVID-19: Doctors push for lockdown, warn B.C. could become like Italy

In a dire warning, physicians across the Lower Mainland are calling on the B.C. government to take more drastic measures, such as a lockdown, to stop the spread of the coronavirus and avoid a crisis like Italy.

In a letter Saturday to provincial health officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry, Gerald Da Roza, head of medicine at Royal Columbian Hospital in New Westminster, says B.C. is on the same trajectory as Italy.

Italy had more than 700 fatalities from COVID-19 in one day, and the death toll has surpassed 4,000 people. He says B.C.’s doubling rate is three to four days for infected patients, which is similar to Italy.

Doctors near hospitals, like St. Paul’s in downtown Vancouver, are spotting restaurants still seating and serving customers inside, while allowing long lineups to linger outside.

Da Roza says B.C. must close non-essential businesses, and enforce the critical need for social distancing so that the health care system is not overwhelmed.

The plan would include allowing people to go outside but only with members of their household, and only if they stay two metres away from others, said Da Roza.

“Our team of physicians at Royal Columbian Hospital is working tirelessly to overcome shortages in staffing and resources, however we will lose this battle unless we act immediately to contain this virus in the community,” says Da Roza in the letter.

“We urge you to implement stronger containment measures and education in the community.”

He says all beaches, non-essential businesses, parks, and restaurants should be closed as is being done in California and New York, and visits to hospitals must be limited.

The physicians plead with Henry not to put them in a situation where they must choose who lives and dies, as is happening in Italy.

“We urge you to take these measures now so we have a fighting chance.”

In a phone call with Postmedia, Da Raza reiterated the importance of his message and said he hopes that the government will step up “gentle enforcement,” which would mean police patrolling for people in groups, for example groups of teenagers hanging out or people queuing to get into shops.

The police would then remind them of the state of emergency, inform them of the grim situation, and ask them to separate to at least two metres apart.

Some physicians are also urging the government to use the emergency text services to remind people to only go outside when necessary.

The text system is in place but hasn’t been used, even though the province is in a state of emergency.

Doctors hope the message will get out to the younger generation who may not read or watch traditional news.

At the daily news conference Saturday, Henry said she agrees with the doctors and said police will be enforcing the orders with fines if needed.

“I believe the measures we are asking for equate to (a lock down)” said Henry. “We do need essential services to continue.”

Neasa Coll, a family doctor who sees patients in Vancouver’s West End and in the Downtown Eastside, said the message shared Saturday by Henry and health minister Adrian Dix was essential.

“I was impressed by the sternness of their warning,” she said. “They were really driving home a message today, that it is incredibly important that 100 per cent of the public listen to what they’re asking to be done.”

That means no games of pickup basketball or soccer, no meeting up with friends for a walk. That you stay close with your family at home and that’s it.

Because of the need for social distancing, she’s been generally walking to and from her downtown practice. She called what she’s been witnessing “disheartening.”

“To be honest, I feel like I’m being punched in the gut,” she said of how she feels when she spies groups of people playing sports, sitting or standing together in parks, clearly mingling with people beyond their own family circle.

“I think there’s been a lot of outpouring of support for frontline workers, and, of course, we appreciate that. But to be entirely honest the biggest thing that you can provide to anybody working in healthcare right now is by listening to public health ordinances and the messages that I drive home with my patients,” she went on.

“I tell my patients: stay at home. Your home is your society, so if you live with a partner, if you live with children, of course those are the people we have contact with all the time, those are the people that you can go for a walk outside with, but you cannot go for a walk outside and meet up with anybody else. Everyone in your home is your society. This is a tough ask. But we’re all human too. These are extraordinary measures we’re asking people to do but they’re really important.”

The warm weather has been a big challenge in delivering this message, she admitted. Solo walks, or walks with your tight circle from home are OK, but do you really need to go to the store today, she asked rhetorically.

“If you’re cooking dinner with what you have in your pantry and you’re missing one ingredient, do you really need to go to the store? No you do not. Try that recipe without the nutmeg. Minimize how often you’re going outside to once a week,” she said. “You can call a friend while you’re out on your walk and you can talk to them, call a family member, you could call someone you haven’t talked to in a while … You should not be meeting up with people who are outside of your household. And it’s imperative that we do these things now, because the numbers of cases are going to increase. We know that because of science. And we also know that what’s reported daily has a five to seven days lag right now because of the time it takes her positive cases to come back.”

Physicians have also raised concerns that many B.C. residents, particularly youth, are not paying attention to the news and are not taking self isolation seriously.

They recommended the B.C. government use the emergency warning text service to remind people to stay in their homes.

Henry said using an emergency text was a good idea and the government will look into using this option, as well as stepping up efforts to reach out to young people on social media.

Vancouver cardiologist Courtney Young echoed the call of her colleagues. She wrote to Henry on Wednesday, saying the time had to come for tougher talk with the general population about the reality ahead of us.

“(People) may be under some false perception that we are flattening the curve,” Young said. “The numbers we are getting are not reflective of that.”

“The only way to stop this, or to slow down the rate, is to practise social distancing. That doesn’t mean go to your friend’s house to play a board game, this means you don’t go to your friend’s house at all, you play it virtually. No spring break parties on the beach, playing volleyball, basketball, whatever. They will spread it (that way), they may not realize it but they are spreading it and it might not be a direct health consequence to them because they’re young and healthy but when they spread it to someone who is immunocompromised, who has other health conditions, or who is elderly, it can be fatal.”

Young has a pair of clinics, on Broadway and on Commercial Drive, but given the risks of infection from COVID-19 her patients are especially vulnerable to — many are dealing with coronary artery disease and heart failure, while also suffering from diabetes, COPD or high blood pressure — she’s switched entirely to video appointments for patients who aren’t in hospital already.

“Every single outpatient … I am in my office at my home doing video consults because I do not want to expose them to anything.”

Coll’s practice has also moved to most appointments taking place using remote video. In the end, it’s all about putting her patients first.

“I am aware that what we’re asking is challenging. And I think that I just have to believe that we all have within us the ability to be doing the right things right now,” Coll said.

“We in Canada have the benefit of having learned from countries that have been devastated by this. But it’s imperative that we actually learn from those things.”

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Mrknowitall strikes again with misinformation. Big RENA failure.

Perhaps the person making that statement isn’t aware of the MDA and its triggers.

Yes, the person isn’t aware!

A legend in his own mind. Over 3 years on the board and is just as clueless as he was when he claimed the EXPIRED WIA was still legal, thinks he’s an expert regarding the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act spouting off nonsense. Thought he could copyright UBID meetings. Claims he follows RENA – Research, Evaluate, Negotiate, Act. Big fail – doesn’t get past the first step – Research!

Was it news to the McMahon listed in the recipients that the “Development is stalled”?

So what did Mrknowitall do when he saw an old rusty barge pulled up into the middle of the drylands sort? Well, he asked other Union Bay landowners, that’s how information is verified – ask people who don’t know.

“I brought this up to a few people in Union Bay and they suggested that a permit had been issued by the Regional District to allow a scrap company to cut up old boats at this site. I cannot believe that this could have happened.”

After not bothering to find out if there was a permit issued or what authority would actually be in charge of issuing a permit, Mrknowitall concludes:

“With the development stalled and a permit to scrap old boats in our community, the Regional District is turning Union Bay into a Third World Country.” 

Let’s be clear here. This is an attempt to paint the CVRD as the boogeyman. This is the same guy along with other Kiplets who refused to do anything with the petition presented to the board in Nov. 2016 from landowners who wanted to know the pros and cons of joining the CVRD. The same guy who was more concerned about the handful of UBID employees positions if we became a service area rather than what is best for Union Bay landowners. The same guy who wanted the unqualified admin to do the study “when he had time”.

If anyone wants to know information, don’t bother with Arbour, contact the staff at the CVRD – they are the knowledgeable ones and are consistent with their prompt and accurate responses. A fellow landowner received the following when they inquired about the so called permit issued:

Can’t join the CVRD fast enough as far as I’m concerned. It’s the staff and professionals that we need instead of the hokey, hillbilly system we presently suffer.

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Oh oh – big surprise – NOT. According to email “Development is stalled…” KIP/Union Bay Estates singing the same song.

Received this email circulated by the guy who brought you the petition that screwed up the 2015 Board’s plan to build water treatment facility by claiming KIP wasn’t being treated fairly. Their version of ‘fair’ was to force the 2015 UBID Board to extend the 2011 Water Infrastructure Agreement that KIP allowed to lapse Dec. 31, 2014. Here we sit under boil water advisory when we would have had the system by Aug. 2018 if these KIP flunkies hadn’t brought the process to a standstill getting people to sign stating they did not want to pay for the system.

More on Godfrey https://allthingsunionbay.com/2016/12/30/kensington-island-properties-zealot-david-godfrey-claims-union-bay-trustees-trying-to-pick-up-the-pieces-left-of-the-former-wia/ The documents Godfrey claimed to have seen proving UBID was stalling was bullshit. McMahon did his usual bullshit and stalling claiming he was going to provide me with the documents and then claimed I would have to attend his lawyer’s office in Vancouver to read them. BULLSHIT https://allthingsunionbay.com/2017/01/26/kensington-island-properties-aka-34083-yukon-inc-and-david-godfrey-claims-put-up-or-shut-up/

This is also the same guy who told the landowners in 2011 that the WIA was a $1.7 Million dollar GIFT to the community and only admitted it was an interest free loan after Dec. 31, 2014! Look at the track record from this guy before you drink the KIP koolaid. Plus, this same guy has been referred to as “Kip’s Representative”.

The CVRD isn’t turning Union Bay into a third world country – the hillibillies have that locked up.

Note the last line: “With the Development stalled..” Oh gosh, who would have thought the development might not go ahead? It’s only been 24 years since KIP has been making outrageous promises only to have nothing happen. How could anyone be surprised?

Did these guys send an email to Arbour about the 1875 cubic meters of treated sewage planned to be dumped into Washer/Hart Creek daily if they are concerned about the shellfish industry?

Anyone buying a home in Union Bay is getting ripped off. Every couple of years this developer shows up and announces he’s going ahead and renames the development. The realtors latch on and spew the bullshit about a marina, hotels, blah blah and nothing ever happens and yet the prices continue to rise with nothing happening.

Mar. 1, 2018 KIP announced their new development, Union Bay Estates. https://allthingsunionbay.com/2018/03/01/kensington-island-properties-aka-34083-yukon-inc-announcing-new-development-again/

This is the bullshit McMahon spewed 2 years ago. Let’s get real. This guy isn’t going to build a sewage treatment plant. He’s going to sit and wait for the landowners to put up the bucks. When the South Sewer Project was active there was not a peep from this developer – never offered anything towards the system. What exactly has KIP done since 1996 when it was no longer Weldwood? Zip. Cleared land, dug trenches, dumped the 27 contaminated coal hill acres back on the province all the while patting the local hillbillies on the head telling them how smart they are.

“Everything is approved now. Before, we had ongoing hurdles we kept trying to overcome. Everything has improved,” he said. Next steps Before construction of any of the housing units can occur, Kensington will have to supply a wastewater treatment facility in order to service the projects. “We have to get the wastewater treatment plant up and running before we can sell any homes,” he said. “In order to do that, we need to get the pipes in the ground, we need to get roads built. We were meeting this morning talking about where the pipes are going to go.” McMahon said the company has applied to the Ministry of Environment to begin work on implementing a wastewater treatment facility. “That application is in the process,” he said. McMahon added the goal is to possibly begin construction on homes by summer 2019. “Before that, there will be roads, pipes put in the ground. There will be all the underground servicing going in,” he said.